Projections for Criminal Tech and Inventions in 2024 (TGIR Ep. 232)

On this episode, Marlene Gebauer interviews attendees at two contemporary criminal tech meetings – the TLTF Summit and the Criminal AI Pathfinder’s Meeting. She asks them concerning the greatest affects they foresee AI and different inventions having at the criminal trade in 2024. Their responses vary from predictions that AI will lend a hand automate criminal workflows and construct gear quicker, to making an allowance for higher knowledge analytics and metrics to beef up shopper relationships and retention.

Marlene and Greg remark at the more than a few views shared. Key issues that emerge come with leveraging AI to beef up potency and processes, being wary to not transfer too temporarily, alternatives to cut back criminal prices and strengthen Get right of entry to to Justice and hopes that 2024 will see AI gear grow to be simpler and transfer past “celebration tips”. Whilst spotting the joy round AI, they emphasize that specialize in actual trade issues to resolve moderately than simply enforcing answers for their very own sake.

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Marlene Gebauer 0:08
Welcome to The Geek in Overview. The podcast concerned with leading edge and inventive concepts within the criminal occupation. I’m Marlene Gebauer.

Greg Lambert 0:14
And I’m Greg Lambert.

Marlene Gebauer 0:17
So Glad New 12 months, Greg. Glad New 12 months right here.

We’re handiest a few weeks in so

I do know we retired 2023 We’re leaping into 2024. So did you’ve gotten a pleasing vacation?

Greg Lambert 0:27
I did. So I were given to spend my thirtieth wedding ceremony anniversary in Germany, we took a type of Viking river cruises. Very relaxing. little dear for me, , me, I’m the inexpensive geek.

Marlene Gebauer 0:44
I do.

Greg Lambert 0:45
Now not that a lot cash. However we had we had a blast and in reality couldn’t, couldn’t have requested for a greater technique to have spent our 30 because the the team at the send took in reality just right care people. And we met some tremendous great other folks on at the cruise.

Marlene Gebauer 1:02
That’s terrific. I understood you went to the markets, so you were given to move see the ones.

Greg Lambert 1:07
Yeah, the markets have been all open in Germany. And so we get to stroll round, have a look at numerous little Christmas embellishes. And little manufactured from picket famous person. Quite a lot of stuff made picket. After which we drink. Now not so much, however a enough quantity of gluwine, which used to be described to me as you are taking wine, you warmth it up, and then you definitely put glue in it. In order that’s glue. I’m simply repeating what I used to be advised.

Marlene Gebauer 1:45
I used to be gonna say that’s a perfect appetizing description of it evidently. Needless to say, smartly, it used to be nice. I didn’t. I didn’t get to move out of the country. However I did get to return to New Jersey and New York, which used to be lots of a laugh, were given to peer my folks and , the children were given to peer, , all their pals up there. And I had a gorgeous spa day with a few of my pals. After which I additionally were given to move out to live performance with some pals. I were given to visit Central Park and met up with some other folks and we actually walked from, from like Penn Station, all all of the means as much as Central Park and simply walked in all places Central Park. I hit numerous puts that I’ve by no means if truth be told been to there. So I used to be , this a few years previous after I were given to the Alice in Wonderland statues. So there you cross. So anyway, it used to be it used to be rather great, and in reality had a had fun. Excellent. Excellent. Neatly, did you’ve gotten any resolutions?

Greg Lambert 2:48
Neatly, we’re already midway thru January. So that you will have to ask, Do I’ve any that I’ve saved? I’m if truth be told doing a dry January. Most commonly as a result of I did a like a really perfect soaked December. So I wish to dry out. However as is our buddy Toby Brown advised me just lately he’s like, Neatly, I’m doing dry January as much as January 30. However then going to criminal week, after which we’re going to be having some occasions at criminal week and in reality can’t cross up the booze unlawful week, proper?

Marlene Gebauer 3:29
Yeah, yeah. That’s true. True. Unfastened. So , do it proper. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, extra resolutions simply form of to be within the provide. And that’s form of mine. In order that’s roughly going to be an ongoing factor. Does that paintings on that?

Greg Lambert 3:46
So are you within the provide? Now?

Marlene Gebauer 3:48
me? So it’s like, yeah, suffering, however operating on it. I’m operating on it. So I do know we’re, we’re roughly into January, we took some day off. So simply form of catching up on issues. However remaining month, went to Miami, I attended the TLTF Summit. That’s an excessively extremely curated amassing for marketers, for buyers, corporations and practitioners who’re growing, powering and partnering with era corporations and reworking the sector of legislation.

Greg Lambert 4:25
You need to know the way curated it used to be?

Marlene Gebauer 4:29
How curated, used to be it?

Greg Lambert 4:30
I used to be no longer invited. That’s how I curated. Subsequent yr, subsequent yr.

Marlene Gebauer 4:36
subsequent yr, subsequent yr. Neatly if truth be told, it used to be it used to be in reality a perfect I imply, I’d by no means been to , a convention like this one the place you simply had this type of team of other folks in combination. And I in reality favored that I favored how they structured issues , you had I wouldn’t I wouldn’t say I imply they’d like fast shows after which the , teams, , the folk, and it used to be in numerous classes. After which, , so , litigation, as an example. After which individuals who have been within the room would form of vote on, like, who they concept used to be the most efficient. And prefer, total, like, who were given essentially the most issues would finally end up within the ultimate presentation on the finish of the summit? And, , you were given to peer all of the ones the ones presenters, and it’s essential to, , connect to the ones other folks. Like, if there used to be one thing the place you concept, wow, that will be of passion to, , my company, then, , it’s essential to do this. And I imply, I do know that companies introduced shoppers, , numerous prime stage other folks from companies have been there that I, , I noticed, so, I believed it used to be implausible. And, , I’ve come again with like, Ok, I’ve a host of connections, no longer handiest to speak with at the podcast, which we will be able to be doing, actually, one of the most other folks will say it in a minute. So that is what this this, this podcast is devoted to because the interviews that I had there, however we’ll cross deeper with a couple of of them one day. However , additionally, , alternatives to connect to those distributors, , only for functions of checking them out for the company. So, it used to be cool. Yeah. However you gave me You gave me your microphones, you gave me your little microphones, through the way in which I purchased precisely the similar one. So now, I’ve to come up with years again, however and I wrote mg on Mines, so don’t get tousled.

That means I don’t get perplexed.

That’s proper. That’s proper, as it’s really easy to get perplexed. However those microphones have been have been a lifesaver. I were given numerous brief interviews from most of the attendees on the summit, to invite them about what they view as one of the most greatest affects that era will have at the criminal trade within the close to long run. And that used to be, , once more, it used to be only a actual alternative to form of attach somewhat bit extra and other folks, numerous other folks there didn’t know concerning the podcast. And so it used to be additionally a chance to inform them somewhat bit about what we’re doing. Get subscribed. So yeah,

Greg Lambert 7:04
how the hell do they know that podcasts? We’re superior.

Marlene Gebauer 7:08
It’s like a few of these other folks are emblem new, they’re roughly new to the criminal house, , that they, , so , that is? It is a just right factor, Greg, this can be a just right factor.

Greg Lambert 7:17
All proper. All proper. All proper. So smartly, you probably did a perfect process, grabbing the folk at Summit and pulling them to the aspect. However I’ve to mention, because the audio engineer of this podcast, I didn’t in reality suppose thru how smartly the recordings have been gonna sound whilst you’re in a packed room with other folks and everybody else is speaking on the similar time. So I did a bit of of cleanup on them, as perfect I may, one of the most voices with the intention to roughly take away sufficient of the background to listen to them might sound somewhat off to the listeners. They usually’ll most likely sound in reality off to the person who’s if truth be told speaking. However that’s, that’s me, that’s no longer the individual, the individual if truth be told doesn’t in reality sound like they is also underwater once they’re speaking. However I believe they’re comprehensible sufficient for this. And I put in combination a transcript for the episode, which will likely be at the 3 geeks web page. And so , be at liberty if you happen to don’t rather get one thing. Take a look at the 3 geeks and a legislation weblog web page for the episode. And you’ll be able to catch that a part of the solution. We now have 17 attendees who have been gracious sufficient to speak to us or communicate to you.

Marlene Gebauer 8:39
I will have to word that one of the most one of the most interviews have been if truth be told from the follow of sensible AI.

Greg Lambert 8:48
Oh, yeah. Yeah, there have been a couple of of the ones. The Yeah, let

Marlene Gebauer 8:54
me do this. Once more. Like, I will have to word that that one of the most interviews, a number of the interviews are from the sensible AI convention that either one of us additionally attended in December. And so used to be in a position to get to to talk with some other folks there. That used to be additionally a perfect convention. I simply concept really well curated, the themes have been spot on. And prefer in reality no longer quite a lot of overlap. And , everyone in reality knew their stuff. So

Greg Lambert 9:21
yeah, yeah. And I used to be invited to that one. So yeah, so so smartly. So the theory at the back of this episode is we’re going to move thru and pay attention to the visitors which can be to the interviews. A few of these vary from simply , 30 seconds or much less and a few, however I don’t suppose we’ve got any which can be over like a few min. Yeah, there’s no lengthy season brief solutions, and we will ask them to undertaking as a variation of our crystal ball query however in reality roughly undertaking to peer what they Assume 2024 goes to deliver to the to the criminal trade. So, Marlene, the rest you need to do sooner than we queue up? Paul Giedraitis.

Marlene Gebauer 10:16
I believe we will have to discover ways to pronounce his title first. We’re doing the most efficient we will. We’re simply doing the most efficient we will, other folks. So sure, I believe we’re all set to move.

Greg Lambert 10:27
All proper. Neatly, I really like stated First up is Paul. Ok.

Paul Giedraitis 10:32
I’m Paul Giedraitis founder and CEO of Orgami. Neatly, I believe with the explosion of Gen AI era and LLM base fashions, what we’re going to peer over the following yr is that supply of criminal paintings goes to grow to be increasingly more computerized, and ultimately, slightly commoditized. And so I believe what we’re gonna see a company doubling down on that specialize in trade of why packages and AI, along with simply sensible packages, so we’re gonna be the use of knowledge analytics to beef up the well being of a consumer courting, progressed enlargement technique than progressed shopper retention.

Greg Lambert 11:02
All proper. Neatly, that used to be Paul, Paul’s with Orgami. I imply, I believe that’s the that’s

I don’t disagree. That’s a sexy protected wager. Yeah. No, I agree. I did wish to dive in on some of the issues that he that he mentioned web used to be, they’re going to double down on that specialize in trade of legislation packages. And I believe what we’re listening to there may be, is extra of the again place of business, stuff that we’re seeing no longer essentially billable hour paintings, however moderately the issues that toughen the billable hour paintings, which makes general sense. If truth be told, when, if other folks inquire from me, , what, what, how is it {that a} company will have to get started with AI? The very first thing I inform them is what to not do. And I used to be like, Don’t cross after the billable hour, proper off the bat, , have a look at the issues which can be within the again place of business advertising and marketing, library, Finance, any of that recruiting any of the ones trade construction, that’s most likely the place you’re going to get the most important urge for food and get other folks to wish to do extra.

Marlene Gebauer 12:17
Yeah, I imply, already seeing, , AI, form of serving to with, just like the writing of, , more than a few trade construction paperwork, and, , we’re already seeing it within the analysis house. One roughly sensible factor I’ll word is, when he’s speaking about knowledge analytics, and , simply pondering, , analytics generally. I believe there’s nonetheless some paintings to be carried out there. I imply, I, , they, , a few of these, those Gen AI fashions nonetheless don’t do smartly with tables. They usually don’t at all times do smartly with numbers. In order that I believe goes to be a bit of of a hurdle. So it’ll be attention-grabbing to peer what occurs this yr with that. Yeah.

Greg Lambert 13:05
I’m positive we’ll, we’ll communicate extra about that, that it’s, it’s no longer simply the generative AI, that’s, that’s going to be going so. Do you need to speak about our subsequent speaker subsequent?

Marlene Gebauer 13:19
Yeah, Andrew Madeiros who’s the Director of Innovation at Troutman pepper. And Andrew, Andrew has a quite other tackle on form of whether or not we will have to all be dashing into Gen AI.

Andrew Medeiros 13:41
Yeah, Andrew, right here. I’m the Director of Innovation or Troutman Pepper. I in reality do making ready to take our present, we want a stroll sooner than we run. In our bizarre AD at a convention like this, speaking about the whole thing that we’ve carried out already. Neatly, we attempted to be stuck right here, the fee that we will roughly take our time, or strolling isn’t factor nonetheless. However we need to in reality assessment the marketplace. Be considerate concerning the resolution that you just’re on board, and the answers that we provide to our legal professionals.

Greg Lambert 14:17
Ideas on that one?

Marlene Gebauer 14:22
Sure. I’ve ideas. I’ve many ideas. I believe he’s proper. I believe you do need to be wary. I believe companies wish to be wary. I imply, obviously we’ve got numerous moral obligations to our shoppers and their knowledge. And so , we shouldn’t be working roughly headlong into a few of this new era with out, , doing our due diligence. That stated,

Greg Lambert 15:00
I knew there used to be a however coming in.. ,

Marlene Gebauer 15:03
However, , however and , clearly, , each each group is other, like you need to be at ease. So you need to do that whilst you know from from a, , a company group viewpoint, you’re at ease. However, , that stated, and I do know, we’ve mentioned this sooner than, and , this is going on. And so that you in reality do must roughly have your toe within the water, no less than, to , simply to form of keep, , to stick afloat on the subject of how briskly these things is shifting like, , you you need to be concerned, you need to be attempting these things out, you need to be pondering of alternatives. As a result of, , you you’ll be able to’t simply form of wait till I don’t suppose on this scenario, you’ll be able to wait till the whole thing is protected and carried out. As a result of that’s already too overdue.

Greg Lambert 16:00
Yeah, I believe I believe you’re proper. And I believe he used to be, , he roughly put a disclaimer in there in that strolling isn’t status nonetheless. So it’s no longer that we’re doing not anything. However on the similar time, I believe he’s proper. We wish to make certain that we’ve got issues to resolve, and no longer simply answers in search of the ones issues, which I believe numerous individuals are already leaping the gun on that. So I believe that means is most likely best possible. However I Watch out strolling when everybody else is jogging and working, and no longer get too a long way at the back of on it, which which I believe he I believe that’s what he manner is that it’s protecting tempo with everybody else, however no longer essentially leaping in and making silly selections simply because you need to do one thing with the intention to be doing one thing.

Marlene Gebauer 16:58
Proper. So place the location two at the peloton motorcycle?

Greg Lambert 17:02
What’s a place two place? Sure, precisely. Precisely. Precisely. Guy, talking of which, I wish to get again on mine. So All proper, subsequent up is a Justin helms from Husch Blackwell.

Justin Helms 17:18
Justin Helms, Husch Blackwell, synthetic intelligence, resolution rigidity, I might say leveraging AI in computerized workflows. So taking aside file, placing them into the particular characteristic, high quality checking up, after which development no matter generative knowledge from there routinely, that’s going to be an enormous win for everyone. Yeah,

Greg Lambert 17:40
and in this, I believe this touches somewhat little bit of what we heard previous from Paul, which used to be speaking about, there’s, I believe there’s layering of AI that we’re going to peer in 2024, that we didn’t essentially see in 2023. And that’s, we’re going to have databases, we’re going to have structured and unstructured knowledge, we’re going to have device finding out, we’re going to have herbal language processing, knowledge extraction, after which generative AI, I believe that’s the the I believe numerous other folks at the moment, particularly those who will not be as savvy at the generative AI and the remainder of the AI entrance thinks that, , ChatGPT is the is the do all to finish all, and what we’re going to peer is that this layering, and placing issues in the proper layer to arrange the knowledge, retrieve the knowledge, after which be capable of generate the content material that we’re in search of.

Marlene Gebauer 18:53
I believe we have been speaking previous, sooner than we began recording that, , there’s there’s some answers which can be going to need to be form of extremely explicit and structured. After which there’s going to be , different eventualities the place, , it doesn’t need to be it may well be extra ingenious. And so, , you’ll see other alternatives, and it’s going to be nice, I believe for innovation execs for km execs, , for any execs which can be roughly touching this house, as it it form of revives passion and one of the most gear that we have already got, proper, that won’t have Gen AI ai parts, however we’re going to be , very, very helpful to other folks however this this entire form of, , passion in Gen AI ai, you’ll be able to form of direct other folks to in the appropriate course. And , the opposite factor is form of connecting Gen AI ai with form of present processes and , you’re already beginning to see that somewhat bit like, , the automation as an example. , form of writing code to You get positive form of documentation in there after which have an automatic recommended to do one thing after which getting a end result.

Greg Lambert 20:07
Yep. Yep. All proper. Neatly, subsequent up, get everybody strap in, as a result of we’re gonna get somewhat geeky, I believe. So. Ok.

Marlene Gebauer 20:17
Melina Higgins is up subsequent.

Milena Higgins 20:21
Hello, I’m Milena Higgins. Leader Generation Officer for Cloud Court docket. We’re criminal tech get started up within the testimony,necessarily litigation One thing that’s been in my thoughts that I wager we will be able to speak about so much which I believe will emerge subsequent yr is issues round artificial knowledge in criminal.. And we will be able to, as a result of we to this point been the use of the to be had knowledge, however there’s so a lot more that we will be doing. Like the knowledge isn’t ours. It’s shopper knowledge. Purchasers don’t wish to use that knowledge. We’d like artificial knowledge, which different trade are doing.

Marlene Gebauer 20:56
Inform me somewhat extra about artificial knowledge.

Milena Higgins 21:00
Yeah, that idea is. So an trade like banking, as an example, you don’t wish to run other folks’s actual social safety numbers or bank card or, their title. With the intention to teach the ones fashions, he principally faux the knowledge the similar means you might marvel precisely, precisely. Precisely. So we will be able to wish to as an trade consider bobbing up with the similar of that for our trade. Like as an example, my corporate maintain certainly, there are only a few publicly educated style. So at the ground, all of the other ways I may create artificial knowledge.

Greg Lambert 21:42
Yeah, that one used to be somewhat more difficult to listen to. However principally, she used to be announcing artificial knowledge with the intention to teach the fashions as a result of shoppers in there is also delicate knowledge that we don’t wish to be the use of to coach both the Huge Language Fashions and even deep finding out such things as that. So attention-grabbing. So what’s your ideas on the use of artificial knowledge?

Marlene Gebauer 22:10
Oh, she’s spot on. And, and, , we had a just right dialog about this. And, , it roughly will get me questioning, it’s like, , are we able to use Gen AI to roughly create, create artificial examples, as a result of I imply, this, this comes up, incessantly the place, , say there’s a device that you need to check out out, otherwise you , you need to you need to do a tribulation of this factor. The place, , what, what varieties of knowledge are you going to make use of? I imply, you’ll be able to use dummy knowledge, you’ll be able to use anonymized knowledge, however once more, , you need to determine no matter your company lets in on that. And I do know, , that’s, that’s a large query as to what so to use and what’s k. And we additionally run into the issue, Greg, you utterly know that is that, when your legal professionals are checking out issues out, it’s were given to be, they at all times need it to be their knowledge, like, as a result of if it’s other than what they use, like, they’re identical to, smartly, that’s, , that’s, that’s no longer what I exploit, that’s no longer, , I will’t come to a decision in response to that. So, if we will have artificial knowledge this is as shut as imaginable, however but no longer , the real knowledge that’s used within the company like that, to me would is only a lifesaver, as a result of it will simply permit us to take a look at issues, , a lot more temporarily and take a look at issues a lot more temporarily.

Greg Lambert 23:39
It’d be attention-grabbing. In everybody, forgive me, as a result of that is simply coming proper off the highest of my head. However consider that you may take your monetary knowledge, your shopper knowledge, perhaps even the emails that are available in from out of your shoppers, and be capable of necessarily strip all of the right kind nouns out of that to take away numerous the important thing knowledge that will observe that knowledge again to the customer. After which you can have an, , an encoder decoder sort factor along with your gadget. In order that the, the fashions are educated on artificial knowledge, however it’s essential to cross it thru a decoder, and the ideas that you just’re getting again is if truth be told actual knowledge that you’ve. Possibly that’s too a long way fetched. However, , I don’t know if somebody desires to enter trade with that. , give me give me a decision. Alright, so the following one we had used to be if truth be told I couldn’t do the rest with it in and so I express regret, however lets no longer get into

FX LeDuc?

Yeah, FX LeDuc. Yeah. Sorry about express regret.

Marlene Gebauer 25:01
I can achieve out sorry

Greg Lambert 25:03
We’ll check out once more all over again, however subsequent up is Adam Stofsky. So let’s pay attention what Adam needed to say. stopped ski. Prevent ski. Adam forestall ski forestall ski. Neatly, he’ll let us know right here in a 2d.

Marlene Gebauer 25:19
He’ll let us know who he’s.

Adam Stofsky 25:21
Adam Stofsky. I’m the founder and CEO of In short. We’re a criminal and criminal knowledge startup. Yeah. So in short, the venture is to make criminal knowledge extra out there to everybody, I bring to mind what we’re doing is fixing the worldwide drawback of the truth that legal professionals don’t seem to be educated communique, like in any respect. , I believe they’re all so I don’t suppose I had a 2d of coaching, however my nice communicator through the phrase, 0. And I believe like the truth that out of the bigger pocket judges and different legal professional, that may be a large drawback, that’s an enormous drawback for the group are for companies that don’t take into account a lot about legislation and legal professionals don’t know the way to be in contact about it. In order that’s ton of hidden worth being misplaced as a result of that. So we’re roughly on that 5 changing into the sector’s perfect criminal contract. Now, it’s essential to query My suspicion is, I haven’t follow legislation in one thing like 12 years or one thing like that. So perhaps I’m no longer the easiest particular person to understand the solution to that. However my suspicion is, from chatting with criminal tech corporations, legal professional in all sectors, Criminal Assist in area, to companies, I believe issues are going to modify so much lower than other folks suppose they’re going to modify in 2024. The billable hour, it’s nonetheless going to be with a large companies, it’s nonetheless going to be in reality dear, and our groups are going to be rising, I believe we’ll see some adjustments on the margin. However I believe the fundamental varieties of legislation, I don’t suppose that is going to be the yr for dramatic dramatic alternate. But it surely’s going to return over the years. That’s my prediction. At our corporate In short, we’re roughly leaning closely into human, proper, and we’re the use of AI for positive issues. However , our dangerous is that on the finish of the day, other folks wish to pay attention nice boys telling they wish to pay attention from terrified other folks with humorous such things as listening to assist, weigh me thru, with a bit of luck eternally sufficient.

Greg Lambert 27:16
There’s such as you nonetheless room for other folks, even with with AI.

Marlene Gebauer 27:20
Nonetheless room for other folks relationships are vital. The communique section used to be attention-grabbing. , I believe I believe like smartly, we most likely will have to be coaching other folks and communique previous. Previous than then legislation college. We will have to be doing that during public faculties. More than likely somewhat bit higher. However, , that’s an entire different drawback, too, to unwrap. , whilst he used to be speaking about this, I used to be fascinated by, I used to be fascinated by if truth be told Josh Kubecki, who only recently did a wholly generated AI, video of himself. And I believed, huh, smartly, that’s attention-grabbing in comparison to what we’re speaking about right here. It’s like, perhaps you employ Gen AI ai to grow to be a greater communicator, if you happen to’re in reality dangerous.

Greg Lambert 28:05
Yeah, yeah. In the event you’re, if you happen to’re large introvert, you’ll be able to create this synthetic intelligence of video model of your self, to be in contact along with your shoppers. I wish to assault the communique from some other attitude, which I believe 2024 is if truth be told going to lend a hand other folks with and, , a part of the communique drawback is, there’s simply such a lot occurring there, you get, I imply, I actually get masses of emails each day. And with the ability to lower thru that. Learn about , when your conferences are whilst you’re, , when you will have time to your self whilst you will have to pick out up the telephone and and contact your shopper. However I believe as you notice the Copilot integration with with Microsoft, place of business 365, I believe there’s going to be a few of that that can assist you organize your time higher, and to provide the activates for the human to understand when it’s time to position the emails down and pick out up the telephone. And so I’m hoping perhaps the the bogus intelligence and that copilot varieties of capability the place we’re the use of AI as principally an assistant will lend a hand beef up the human a part of us So perhaps that’s what we see in 2024.

Marlene Gebauer 29:35
And I’ll take it from a distinct attitude, like relationships and communique are obviously going to be essential, specifically since all of that is so new, and other folks don’t in reality roughly know what to anticipate. They don’t if truth be told know the way to make use of it as a result of it’s so wide. I imply, I’ve gotten questions on like, glance, I wish to become involved however I don’t I don’t know if what I wish to do works in right here. I’m no longer in reality positive positive the best way to do it. So I believe, , growing the ones kinds of relationships of believe, , being transparent on your communique on the subject of, what to do, what to not do, what works, what doesn’t paintings and form of guiding other folks, I believe goes to be large. And the opposite level I wish to carry is that, sure, the billable hour isn’t going to leave subsequent yr. And sure, , issues are going to nonetheless be dear. I believe I learn the opposite day that what used to be the used to be like, I don’t know if it used to be the common or, nevertheless it used to be the quote used to be, like, $2,400 an hour for for billing. And I’m like, Wow, that’s unbelievable. Yeah.

Greg Lambert 30:46
Take into account once we have been reluctant to move above $1,000 an hour?

Marlene Gebauer 30:53
So yeah, you’re you’re gonna you’re gonna see that going down. i He’s, he’s completely proper on that. So. Alright, are we were given up subsequent,

Greg Lambert 31:01
we were given Stephanie Curcio, who’s up subsequent, going to move on to speak about some IP, and AI.

Stephanie Curcio 31:12
My title is Stephanie Cucio. I’m the CEO and co founding father of NL Patent. NL Patent is a AI primarily based Patent seek and analytics platform. So we’ve got totally modified the way in which that folks engage with patent knowledge. Traditionally, you can seek thru patent knowledge the use of key phrases. Sounds simple, till you if truth be told learn a patent. Which can be very sophisticated, they make no sense, you can by no means describe a easy factor the use of the phrase you can generally describe that factor. As an alternative, you can create many phrases and every so often make up phrases, which makes them very tough to go looking. So our AI gadget lets in you simply to explain that factor in simple English. And our gadget will routinely seek masses of tens of millions of atoms and generate an inventory of prime paperwork which can be if truth be told very similar to that factor. We hang our example, iterative so the gadget will be informed from you as you engage with the knowledge. And it’s incessantly observed to outperform human mavens at the route. And accuracy. Assume 2024 goes to be the yr of IP. So we’ve observed numerous tendencies in contract, assessment, heading in the right direction, generate and file assessment, all of this stuff were tackled. Over the process the remaining 10 years, this is a little bit prime. So the era that we’re the use of is lovely new. What we’re doing used to be handiest imaginable at the remaining couple of years. And simply 5 McCain’s and the era has created numerous new workloads that have been by no means up to now imaginable. So the IP gadget goes to be much more appropriate. IP legal professionals are going to be far more if it’s some other field, however the IP procedure may also be democratized in numerous techniques. So those who have been by no means in a position to get entry to that knowledge can now achieve this rather simply the use of the era that’s being advanced is emblem spanking. new.

Greg Lambert 33:03
Emblem spankin new era. I really like that

Marlene Gebauer 33:06
Emblem spanking new. So Stephanie, if truth be told used to be some of the finalists on the the TLTF and , I’m hoping that we will get her at the podcast to perform a little bit extra intensive dialogue concerning the device and what she’s she’s doing. As a result of if you’ll be able to describe one thing in simple English on a patent seek, that’s wonderful.

Greg Lambert 33:36
Yeah, that’s a large deal. And I believe that’s some of the issues and I believe that is why other folks have been so excited within the criminal trade, as a result of this can be a, , a trade that’s in response to language that phrases topic. And the way in which other folks say and write issues, , that may be very distinctive. And so if you’ll be able to give you the option to normalize human language, identical to we do databases, it’s in reality going to open up numerous alternatives for distributors. It’s like she stated, it’s going to democratize the legislation itself, as a result of now not is the no matter makes use of you created is at the back of this type of Crystal Palace of phrases that you just’ve created to stay other folks out. They’re going so to perceive even essentially the most sophisticated legalese and be capable of get that again in simple English and that actually is a sport changer.

Marlene Gebauer 34:44
Yeah. And it’s going to be no longer simply mavens which can be in a position to form of do this sort of of analysis. , it’s it’s going to be any, , I gained’t say anyone, nevertheless it’s, , it’s going to be individuals who can simply Simply say one thing in simple English and uncover the answer.

Greg Lambert 35:05
Neatly, subsequent up, did you report Dan on the AI convention? Or at glTF? Do you take into account?

Marlene Gebauer 35:12
Yeah, I’m attempting to keep in mind. I believe I believe I believe it used to be the New York conf, I believe,

Greg Lambert 35:21
Ok, smartly, right here

Dan Katz 35:25
I’m Dan Katz. Professor of Legislation at Chicago-Kent School Legislation and and in addition co founding father of 273 Ventures. Neatly, I believe what we’ve observed right here, the primary wave of Huge Language Fashions like GPT-4, and what have you ever been form of introduced in thru a workstreams, that have been operating with more than a few other spaces, however we in reality haven’t observed and we’re going to do extra of an actual engineering gulp on most sensible of this stuff, numerous what’s been carried out, it’s were given a somewhat skinny layer on most sensible of the bottom capacity. Beautiful nice ideas at the mountain motorcycle community, whilst I’m taking a look ahead to it to peer you all there.

Marlene Gebauer 36:02
It used to be in Florida. It used to be it used to be Florida. I do know, I’m pondering again. And it’s like, yeah, it used to be at TLTF.

Greg Lambert 36:08
So as a result of Dan, and also you and I have been on a panel on the AI convention. And so we were given somewhat bit extra perception on on what Dan used to be speaking about right here. And I believe he’s taking a look at these kind of multi stage. LLM over the years, to the place you’re no longer simply depending upon one unmarried supply, however moderately a big layer of resources to do this, as a result of some of the issues he stated on the convention in New York, used to be, there’s just one web. And whenever you reproduction the web, , the place do you cross from there? We heard previous, perhaps it’s artificial knowledge. I don’t know that, that that’s what Dan used to be pondering. However perhaps it’s. However the enhancements are going to return over the following one year. And, and so I believe numerous issues that you just see his barriers now are going to be there’s going to be breakthroughs, as Dan sees them on this yr.

Marlene Gebauer 37:18
Yeah, I imply, he used to be form of giving the timeline of form of how stuff began and form of the place we’re at and the place we’re shifting. And such as you stated, we have been, he used to be speaking about how, , we began with form of those Huge Language Fashions, however now we’re form of shifting extra into those smaller fashions which can be form of very explicit and deal with very explicit form of, , have an excessively explicit form of output very explicit form of process. After which roughly having an overlay the place, , you’ll be able to, , ask your query, and, , ask your recommended after which be directed to no matter is acceptable so as to add to invite that and, or to reply to that moderately. And I believe you’re if truth be told seeing that during one of the most distributors that, that we’ve if truth be told talked to, just lately at the podcast as smartly, that that there’s they’re beginning to experiment with that.

Greg Lambert 38:12
Yeah. Dan’s were given his arms at the pulse, I believe and so stay taking a look at what he’s doing and what they’re doing it 273 Ventures. So subsequent up is Farah Pepper from Marsh McLennan.

Farah Pepper 38:29
Hello, that is Farah Pepper, Leader Criminal Innovation Suggest at Marsh McLennan. My position throughout the Marsh McLennan criminal division is concerned with criminal innovation and era. So we take a contemporary have a look at how our criminal group paintings and in finding techniques to turbocharge it could be exams, could be procedure. And we’d like to make other folks’s day higher. So an very important a part of our platform is discovering the enjoyment for our colleagues and what they’re doing. Neatly, we’d be remiss, speaking about 2024. And no longer speaking about GEN AI, it’s the scorching matter at the moment. And you’ll be able to be expecting much more discussion inside of criminal group about what the great and suitable makes use of of Gen AI, are in our present workflows. However I’d like to return to fundamentals. I believe that Gen AI ai and all of the hype round it, lunch of wiki actual has reopened other folks’s hearts and minds to all other forms of era. So we’re roughly performing some again to fundamentals, taking a look at level answers and issues that meet that and discovering that colleagues are simply so receptive at the moment to the theory of taking in tech and injecting it into our workflows. , nowadays at TLTF, We mentioned litigation, nevertheless it’s in reality throughout all of the other follow spaces that we’re discovering this renewed enthusiasm in 2024 taking a look at.

Greg Lambert 39:50
I don’t know if Farah has a podcast however she’s were given a perfect voice for podcasting. So even sooner than Cleansing up the recording

Marlene Gebauer 39:59
Principally, it’s like, if it’s like if I may provide like Farah, , my lifestyles would most likely be lovely entire. So shout out to her. Additionally shout out to her. It is a little apart. Dan used to be doing his his keynote, and used to be speaking about one of the most issues of no longer mentioning resources, as a result of on the time, we had but some other lawyer who, , used to be seeking to put one thing out and didn’t test the resources, and it used to be obscure. And

Greg Lambert 40:30
Was once his remaining title Schwartz once more?

Marlene Gebauer 40:33
Possibly, so, I believe so. So, , Dan used to be, like, I believe somewhat bit dangerous for the man and prefer, after the presentation for hours, like, we shouldn’t really feel dangerous for that man. I’m pondering myself, I used to be pondering the similar factor. I used to be like, I don’t really feel dangerous for that man. It’s like, he is aware of what he must do. So I believed that used to be nice. I believe, , Farah has her finger at the pulse that, , colleagues are in reality receptive at the moment. And so let’s benefit from that. And, , and simply however however, , stay it actual, , stay it truthful. , make certain roughly going again to being transparent communicators and, and having just right relationships about, , ensuring that folks perceive evidently what it could possibly and will’t do. I additionally love that she used to be hers. Her program, or her panel, moderately, used to be on litigation. As a result of I’m discovering, I individually am discovering that more difficult to get other folks thinking about so I hope and , as a former litigator, I’m like, I in reality, , I in reality wish to get my peeps on board. So, , hoping that there’s, there’s extra in 2024 there.

Greg Lambert 41:49
Yeah. And that’s been some of the issues I believe we’ve stated so much on at the display is, it’s just right, since you’ve were given this pleasure. And also you benefit from that, and redirect them towards the correct technique to remedy their issues, even though that isn’t, what they’re envisioning how their issues will have to be solved with. ChatGPT. So subsequent up is Brad Blickstein. I believe this one I wiped clean it up as perfect I will, however you might wish to learn alongside at the transcript

Brad Blickstein 42:26
Brad Blickstein, Spouse and head of New Legislation Initiatives at Baretz and Brunelle. There’s numerous speak about Huge Language Fashions. Different GPT like purposes of Generative AI. I’ve a VA criminal up ready criminal stroll in. however there’s a ton of attainable worth there across the development of era. And can they undertaking they’re going to be operating 80% quicker out as a result of they are able to use a generative AI constructed device. I believe we’re gonna see a quicker development of gear in criminal tech. Take it in legislation companies, and they’re going to take a look at. They usually’ll determine the best way to use Darren AI to construct an excessively cool, VA. So first, glance, if you happen to’re the use of Generative AI is to do criminal paintings. That handing over hour does no longer paintings. What are you going do? Take an hour value of labor and do it in two mins and invoice for 2 mins? That doesn’t make sense. What I hope is that legislation companies will see that they’re leaving cash at the desk through no longer development tech answers and rolling them out by means of a style rather than of the billable hour. And moderately than having the customer announcing that they would like flat charges, which we’ve observed over the last few years, doesn’t in reality paintings. Optimistically what we’ll see is legislation companies announcing that we will earn more money through going to one thing rather than the hourly style for billing for paintings.

Greg Lambert 43:51
Yeah, so sorry concerning the cleanup on that one Brad.

Marlene Gebauer 43:56
Summarize that one. Yeah. So.

Greg Lambert 43:58
So I believe simply to summarize that, he’s pondering that he’s seeing reviews the place individuals are operating 80% quicker the use of the mix of human enter and generative AI, and there’s a just right Boston oh, what’s the remaining Boston one thing team? Consulting at Boston Consulting Crew the place it mentioned it, they gave other folks a role. And when it used to be an inventive process, like what’s, what’s a perfect new device to visit cross to marketplace with? They labored one thing like 44% Sooner, bobbing up with the ones concepts. However whilst you ask them to reply to a trade query, they if truth be told fell 23% Under those who weren’t the use of the generative AI device. So sure, the The Gen AI gear when used proper can accelerate issues so after which Brad used to be announcing, smartly, first rushing up the billable paintings. And you’ll be able to do one thing in two mins that used to take, , an hour, it doesn’t make sense to proceed with the trade style that we’re doing. And that legislation companies see that they’re leaving issues at the leaving cash at the desk. And that they’ll they’ll be roughly driven into a distinct trade style, rather than simply immediately billable hour paintings. In order that with a bit of luck recapped what Brad used to be announcing. Ideas on that?

Marlene Gebauer 45:34
Yeay, you probably did an excessively, you probably did an excellent process recapping that. And, and, , I’m certainly in Brad’s camp, I would like to peer, , a brand new style rather than the billable hour that that in reality takes hang, as a result of that simply I imply, to start with, it’s, it’s, , potency is the appropriate factor to do. And secondly, I imply, I in reality suppose it offers quite a lot of alternative for, , the ones people at the trade aspect of the home in legislation companies to in reality get other folks engaged with a few of these gear. As a result of there’s, there’s an incentive, there’s, there’s an incentive to make use of them then versus an incentive towards them.

Greg Lambert 46:19
Yeah, yep. So I believe that’s proper. I believe the , the, the, that is going to disrupt the trade. So we’ll see how we, how we adjusted to that. So subsequent up is Brian Scherer, oh, you were given one thing else?

Marlene Gebauer 46:38
I used to be gonna say subsequent up, you’ve been announcing following couple of instances. Oh,

Greg Lambert 46:41
sorry. I’ll help you do it. This time. It’s

Marlene Gebauer 46:43
It’sokay. Ok, subsequent up is Brian Scherer from Good day Suggest.

Brian Scherer 46:52
Brian Scherer. I’m the founding father of an organization known as Good day Suggest, and I’m from San Diego, California. Yeah, so the product in it present manifestation fits startups with legal professionals, and we have been extra impartial, or small company legal professionals. They usually’re in a position to provide extra inexpensive charges and extra of a arms on enjoy. And one day, the very close to long run, we’re development out a complete form of toughen construction for legal professionals who’re practising independently. In order that contains group, which we have already got arrange. However along with that, it has the toughen products and services, like serving to them with backend admin, bookkeeping, putting in the era, all that stuff. After which some content material occasions, all of the issues that legal professional generally skilled at the inside of a legislation company, however now as a practising lawyer, they don’t have. So we’re operating on. I imply, I believe such as you like say, AI. I don’t wish to a lifer. Yeah, so I imply, I believe inside of that class, I believe it’s vital to concentrate on how AI goes to with a bit of luck scale back the price of criminal products and services. I believe that’s been whether or not it’s extra operating in search of pastor or legal professionals with the ability to paintings extra independently, like an actual platform like ours. I believe that’s like, that’s once we would all be looking at on when can we begin to see hourly charges which can be proceeding to move up, cross down?

Greg Lambert 48:23
So Marlene, what’s your wager? billable charges and criminal prices gonna cross up or down this yr? It’s a trick query.

Marlene Gebauer 48:34
They’re gonna cross up. So, um, I really like, I in reality favored this, this product. I imply, it’s, it’s, it’s, uh, , it’s, it’s, it’s extra for the small practitioner, , small follow small companies, solo practitioners, who, , can’t at all times get the similar form of toughen construction that you’ll be able to and a big company imply is, that’s some of the advantages, some of the attracts of being at Large rules that, , you’ve gotten numerous the products and services and issues to be had to you that, , it used to be no longer one thing you do, , whilst you’re solo and, , Brian and his corporate, that’s, , that’s what they’re doing. They’re form of serving to them with the entire, , the admin and, and form of non criminal follow stuff that, , can in reality take numerous time in order that practitioners can can follow and I believe I believe there’s in reality a marketplace for that. I’m so I’m I’m keen to peer what occurs with with Good day Suggest.

Greg Lambert 49:43
Yeah, and I believe his total imaginative and prescient might ultimately come to fruition. But it surely this can be a large trade that set in its techniques or even with all of the pleasure with the era. Converting the the the trade construction and decreasing prices. I believe that’s a that’s a long run function. However once more, I’m hoping it comes thru.

Marlene Gebauer 50:15
Yeah, we’ll come again in a yr see what occurs. So Kathy Zhu, no, Cathy shoe, you assert what’s it?

Greg Lambert 50:27
I’m gonna say shoe, however she’s going to let us know the way it’s in reality stated.

Stephanie Curcio 50:32
Ok, my title is Kathy Zhu. And I’m the co founder and CEO of GMO, I simply streamline the criminal entrance door and the way other folks group, we’ve got criminal groups paintings a lot more successfully and successfully with the trade. We acquire the entire requests at the trade, within the gear that they’re lately the use of and that they love. So there’s no alternate control. And we convert that into our streamline, we’ve got my workflow, automation Radek the place it wishes to move, we’ve got an audit path, or reporting and metrics in addition to backwards. So the GC has the whole thing they wish to make knowledge pushed selections. Yeah, so we’ve got a number of in reality thrilling AI options that we’re liberating subsequent yr that we’re in reality, in reality extremely joyful about. So numerous product construction is coming your means subsequent yr. So we’re if truth be told concerned with in area criminal groups, moderately than legislation companies. And for in area criminal, what’s in reality essential to resolve at the moment is a procedure drawback. There, I believe numerous consideration and center of attention has been on file control, CLM, and file issues. However that implies that there’s nonetheless a large hollow on the subject of thought, criminal group desperately want, higher metrics and higher reporting to run extra successfully and to additionally suggest for criminal worth within the trade.

Greg Lambert 51:40
Alternate managers control and procedure. I believe AI can lend a hand with either one of the ones.

Marlene Gebauer 51:48
So Kathy used to be additionally some of the finalists on the TLTF. And other folks have been very, very thinking about this device. There used to be numerous buzz, numerous speak about it.

Greg Lambert 52:05
And what used to be the section that folks have been thinking about?

Marlene Gebauer 52:09
Neatly, I can inform you, like actually, I noticed some man come as much as her. And he used to be like, Thank God, he is going, You don’t perceive. I’m identical to, deluged with like emails each day from each, , each trade division announcing Assist me with this helped me with that. And prefer, I don’t know, I will’t organize they all. I imply, actually, he used to be he used to be, like, thrilled. And so, I imply, this this, , not like one of the most ones we’ve mentioned sooner than, that is in particular for, , in area criminal groups, and that’s how she’s advertising and marketing it. And so I believe, , there’s obviously a necessity, as a result of there used to be this sort of response, , and she or he’s, once more, she’s speaking concerning the procedure, like, I imply, he’s in area criminal groups, , specifically for massive corporations, like, they’re aware of all of the other departments, and they have got to juggle all of this, and I’m positive I’m, , my wager is that every of the ones other departments have a distinct means of doing issues. And , your criminal group has to roughly determine these things out. And they have got to show it round in reality speedy. So, hiya, I wish to perceive what this contract says. And, , you need to flip that round temporarily. So yeah, AI can indisputably lend a hand with that, , you probably have templates, the place you’ll be able to extract stuff, and you’ll be able to summarize stuff the use of Gen AI. Yeah, , that will, that will be nice. They may flip round and say one thing in an instant. And, , we’ve mentioned sooner than, , dangerous processe is dangerous procedure. So if there’s one thing that may streamline that and make it extra constant, that’s were given to be useful.

Greg Lambert 53:49
Yeah, yeah. It’s in reality arduous to scale dangerous processes. So

Marlene Gebauer 53:56
however I really like What used to be she announcing? It’s like, principally, it overlays. Like, they don’t know what has to modify. So I imply, I haven’t observed this factor in motion. But when if no one has to modify, , that’s were given one thing going for it.

Greg Lambert 54:10
Yeah, I didn’t see that. But if I pay attention that, pink flags cross up, in my thoughts, k, like no person has to modify. We’ll see. So, k. However like I stated, I didn’t see the product. So subsequent up is Cheryl Wilson. Griffin.

Cheryl Wilson Griffin 54:32
Ok, is that this on? Hello, Cheryl Wilson Griffin right here, CEO of criminal tech specialists. I’m right here on the criminal tech, fund summit in Miami and excited for 2024 I believe, as it’s the golden age of criminal get entry to, so what I’m going to name it we’re gonna feed new mixtures of information each inside and exterior introduced on no longer simply by AI, however through greater interoperatability, API, higher innovation. I believe what’s the marrying of the exterior and exterior knowledge at legislation company in some way, the advantages shoppers that we’ve by no means observed it sooner than or in reality by no means expected it.

Greg Lambert 55:10
Yeah, now she’s making a song my tune on in this, and that is one thing that I’ve been speaking about for 25 years is you’ve gotten so to marry the exterior knowledge and the inner knowledge and make the outcome higher than the 2 particular person items. And so I believe once more, and also you understand that she stated this, no longer an AI, handiest factor is right here to speak about interoperability interoperability, whoo. I will’t I couldn’t even say at one time sluggish. So, , in marrying those inside exterior knowledge issues, , is the dream. So I’m satisfied, , remaining yr, if it wasn’t for AI, I believed all we have been going to be speaking about used to be API’s. And, sadly, that roughly were given to push to the background, however I believe it’s, you were given to have that with the intention to have that. The power to mix all of that all of the treasured knowledge that you’ve, and all of the treasured knowledge that’s to be had.

Marlene Gebauer 56:27
Yeah, we nonetheless have to determine one of the best ways to get the ideas and to and to make a decision which knowledge is vital. Like, I imply, that is all roughly sooner than what she’s speaking about, like as soon as, , what’s one of the best ways to get it to us, and digest it? After which what can we if truth be told care about? And let’s as it’s really easy to only get like a ton of information, each internally or externally. After which it’s like, k, , what do I do with this? , and I, , I see questions on that. It’s like, once more, I’ve all these things, and , is it in the appropriate structure? , can it’s built-in? In any such niggling element questions that wish to be spoke back sooner than you’ll be able to if truth be told, , form of get to the place, the place she’s going in this, so however she’s completely proper. Subsequent up, we’ve got Adam Miller,

Greg Lambert 57:30
able for some web3 discussions Marlene?

Marlene Gebauer 57:33

Adam Miller 57:35
I went with Adam Miller. I’m a co founding father of MIDAO, which stands for Marshall Island, DAO, and we’re development the most efficient criminal framework on the earth for internet 3 and DAO. I’m additionally the host of the Simply DAO It podcast the place other folks’s beginning DAOs.. So DAO stands for Decentralized Self sustaining Group, which makes it sound much more complicated that it’s. It’s everybody organizations, that may be a just right phrase to charity and affiliation, any form of group that desires to make use of the blockchain to trace on the possession or its club, to do governance like vote casting on chain, and in addition to stay your cash on chain moderately than in a checking account. And so through doing all these things at the blockchain, you get insurance coverage compliance, you get transparency, you’ll be able to you’ll be able to run and scale organizations a lot quicker and more uncomplicated than you’ll be able to the use of conventional criminal paperwork, as an example, to stay corporate arranged. So, , nowadays I might say most likely about 5% of other folks have heard of DAOs, I believe, through the top of 2024 50% of people who, check out it. Yeah. And that’s true, just about in all places the sector. I imply, DAOs, if you happen to return a couple of yr, they have been most likely about 10,000, DAOs now they’re at about 50,000 DAOs. Through the top of 2024 there may well be masses of 1000s of DAOs. And through that time limit, the the general public can have heard of them. And most likely so long as a Bull marketplace has returned in 2024. With gave the impression imaginable, perhaps even most probably, individuals are going to be taken with discovering like, what’s that subsequent large crypto factor? Dow goes to be a type of subsequent large crypto issues. And so I believe numerous other folks will likely be in search of Dallas to sign up for there for a laugh or to invest or for no matter explanation why.

Greg Lambert 59:14
Yep. You’ve heard the DAOs sooner than, have you ever no longer Marlene?

Marlene Gebauer 59:20
I can admit when when I used to be chatting with him, I used to be like, I’ve no longer heard of this sooner than. And so we had a really nice dialog about what it’s. So

Greg Lambert 59:28
yeah, Chad Major, on the technically criminal podcast had a visitor on a couple of weeks in the past that mentioned DAOs. Once more, let me let me make certain I am getting that proper. As a result of I believe yeah, I believe we will have been speaking when

Marlene Gebauer 59:45
I’m making corrections to our transcript at the moment cuz it’s like, oh, I’m taking a look at this. It’s find it irresistible didn’t acknowledge DAO.

Greg Lambert 59:51
DAO stands for Decentralized Self sustaining Group. And also you’re seeing this in crypto like even to DEI, I noticed a information characteristic the place some of the some of the crypto cash known as 1inch is now putting in a DAO in as a part of the that crypto forex. So, in reality attention-grabbing. I nonetheless even after being attentive to the Chad’s podcast and studying somewhat bit on it, nonetheless somewhat somewhat bit at the back of. However take into account, other folks, if if that is the primary time you heard about DAOs, then you definitely heard it right here on The Geek in Overview.

Marlene Gebauer 1:00:40
Subsequent, subsequent particular person up is Andrea Markstrom, who’s the CEO for Sheltie, Roth, and Zabel and a just right buddy of the podcast.

Greg Lambert 1:00:49
Yeah, just right to have her on right here.

Andrea Markstrom 1:00:50
Hello, I’m Andrea Markstrom, Leader Knowledge Officer for Schulte Roth & Zabel. Excited to be right here on the Criminal Tech Summit. And, , the chance to satisfy some wonderful criminal tech startups. Thanks for having us. There’s such a lot alternative not to handiest, , do a little good stuff completely inside of companies, but in addition let’s deliver your shoppers in, and introduce them not to handiest new tech, new applied sciences, new gear, but in addition to boost the bar on the subject of how we ship provider. So I believe that the massive alternative for everybody in 2024 after which the opposite factor I believe we will have to center of attention on is solely out of doors of provider for our companies and for our shoppers, it’s how are we able to deliver AI or era for just right and provides again to our group. And that may be a large alternative whereI suppose that we will all come in combination as an trade and do it in 2024.

Greg Lambert 1:01:54
Yeah, Andrea is at all times taking a look at how are we able to do just right? How are we able to make no longer simply our trade higher, however how are we able to make, , society, we do just higher group higher and do higher. So I in reality admire that option to it. And I did wish to say something is, and we’ve we’ve been speaking for months, rattling close to a yr now about how we will have to be capable of leverage the joy for generative AI inside of our legislation companies to seek out actual answers, even though that suggests no longer AI. Attorneys will have to additionally leverage this with their shoppers, as their shoppers are in search of leading edge techniques to means their trade issues. And that’s some of the stuff you pay attention is corporations don’t have criminal issues, they have got trade issues that they want you to resolve. And I believe if in case you are a legal professional, and also you’re no longer benefiting from the joy, and the expectancy that your shoppers are having, you’re lacking a large alternative.

Yeah, Andrea. Pod canine,

Pod canine made an look.

Marlene Gebauer 1:03:12
We’re gonna check out that once more.

Greg Lambert 1:03:15
Neatly, it wouldn’t be a display of pod canine didn’t make an look.

Marlene Gebauer 1:03:18
It’s true. It’s true. It’s true. So, , she’s simply guarding me from the whole thing. However the Andrea is at all times an inspiration to me, , each time I form of get down within the weeds, , and down within the doldrums, , she says such things as this and rings a bell in my memory about, like, the great that, , we we do and will do as an trade. And, , then my center feels just right once more. So, thank you, Andrea, for that. And, , I really like that she, , that she highlights that, what this convention is set, as it’s no longer, I don’t know that it’s tremendous widely recognized. And however , you’ll be able to be informed however you’ll be able to additionally deliver, , you’ll be able to deliver your shoppers to be told, , you’ll be able to deliver your, , company leaders to be told and to connect to this group. So, , she in reality highlighted roughly what’s, , the, the significance of a convention like this. And, , I used to be satisfied that that, , she stated that as a result of, , I believe that’s one thing others wish to know.

Greg Lambert 1:04:27
Yeah, I believe we’re gonna roughly dovetail that actually, I roughly moved the association round somewhat bit in order that Invoice Henderson did, which I don’t understand that folks know. And so I believe this type of dovetails effectively with what we simply heard from Andrea.

Marlene Gebauer 1:04:45
He used to be the primary particular person Yeah.

Invoice Henderson 1:04:52
My title is Invoice Anderson. I’m a professor of legislation at Indiana College, Mauer College of legislation and in addition the editor of Criminal Evolution. I’m right here on the it the criminal tech fund summit in Miami, Florida. And I will inform you evidently that the rest associated with trade to trade or legal professional to legal professional undertaking stuff house is definitely sorted through the undertaking capitalists, I’m specifically taken with issues which can be associated with get entry to to justice, regardless that and so I’m in search of stuff that that that could be at the horizon that will be similar to make use of of generative AI in get entry to to justice in for other folks legislation. I noticed a completely wonderful presentation through the lady from The 2d Likelihood Initiative, which is a corporation that does passing regulation for expungement, automated expungement that selections up part of all states after which there may be ancillary products and services and tech answers. If truth be told leaking, knew that get other folks lower and canceled, I used to be completely amazed and blown away the Entrepreneur that had this enjoy. She used to be convicted of an excessively low stage crime nevertheless it traveled along with her, it interfered along with her skill to get a role, to get condominium housing, to pay for her youngsters to training. And now she raised $75M for a non-profit and I’m in reality taken with that and if I am going house handiest finding out about that, this convention will greater than be value it.

Greg Lambert 1:06:42
Yeah, Invoice, I really like Invoice’s enthusiasm on that and his center of attention on Get right of entry to to Justice, which, , you return to the statistics, , one thing like 80% of the individuals are underserved in, within the criminal of their criminal wishes right here in america. And so were given it simply turns out like AI is, , a useful gizmo to lend a hand roughly slender that down. Even though even though you cut off a couple of proportion issues, it’s numerous other folks that will in a different way cross cross unserved. So and I believe his instance of the 2d Likelihood initiative, they usually’re operating at expungements, in order that other folks can get, , a few of that albatross off in their necks and transfer on with their lifestyles with out, , eternally being punished for one thing that, within the nice scheme of items won’t topic and what they wish to do nowadays.

Marlene Gebauer 1:07:44
Yeah, so I believe Invoice highlighted once more, some other facet of the TLTF. Summit, is that there, there used to be this center of attention on on get entry to justice, I did see this presentation. And I imply, there have been tears within the target market, and a few of them have been mine. , it used to be, it used to be very transfer, it used to be very shifting. And simply in reality unbelievable what, what they’ve been in a position to do, and I do hope that we will get some representatives on for the longer term for the podcast. , some other factor I’ll spotlight is, , once more, form of the giving again facet of the, of the summit, , some of the evenings, , some of the the, some of the actions used to be that there used to be plenty of native charities the place you can take part. So that you have been like development motorcycles, or, , you have been interacting with so, , canines for adoption, you have been development various things. And so that is one thing that, , it’s essential to, , all people, , plenty of us, principally, we’re doing other ones, and that used to be, , that used to be form of the important thing that used to be like the important thing process for the night time, which I believed used to be lovely cool and really other. So once more, that simply roughly is going again to to what the convention does. And, , I trust Invoice that that once more, I imply, if it’s essential to simply form of cross away with that. Then, , you’ve you’ve you’ve gotten, you’ve gotten so much out of out of out of the summit.

Greg Lambert 1:09:22
All proper. Neatly, Marlene, are you able for our remaining particular person?

Marlene Gebauer 1:09:27
Our remaining one.

Greg Lambert 1:09:29
So that is Jacob Beckerman from

Marlene Gebauer 1:09:32
Jake from macro Beckerman.

Jacob Beckerman 1:09:34
I run We make a file editor principally an entire alternative for Phrase, Acrobat,Litera Evaluate AI powered. We make it simple to edit, pink line and no matter you were given? So I believe we had a large AI revolution in 2023, But it surely does if truth be told take a little time to productize the ones. So productization of the entire developments development the ones in considerate techniques into merchandise that folks can use. I believe the primary wave used to be somewhat little bit of celebration tips. And with a bit of luck with a bit of luck subsequent yr we will construct some in reality just right tool.

Greg Lambert 1:10:17
So numerous

Marlene Gebauer 1:10:18
Birthday celebration Tips!

Greg Lambert 1:10:19
Birthday celebration tips this yr novelties, celebration trick, cigars. Yeah, we’re joking, however I believe he’s proper. I believe we noticed numerous issues that seemed just right. However if you happen to scratched the skin somewhat bit used to be, , necessarily a wrapper on on some gear that can alternate over the years and make this preliminary product totally out of date in a question of days. So what do you notice? Do you suppose we’re able to move past celebration tips?

Marlene Gebauer 1:10:56
It used to be humorous, like, I used to be listening, simply now that I heard celebration tips. And I straight away I don’t know why this got here to thoughts. However I considered Fred and George for from Harry Potter. And what’s it? What’s it? Is it Zonks Emporium or one thing that they they run with, with the other jokes? So I believe I, , I am getting what he’s announcing. , what I imply? Consider it, once we began out, like we have been speaking about, like, Good day, can write you a birthday poem or a tune or, , it could possibly do all your, your headshot photos are part you and , image of you in some bizarre universe and stuff. And so it used to be it used to be like a laugh. However, , form of helpful, however no longer tremendous helpful. However I do suppose we, we transfer very unexpectedly into spaces the place actually, it wasn’t as helpful. And, , is that roughly the element, extremely explicit form of criminal paintings, , perhaps, , modifying of paperwork, if it’s were given to be in reality, , tight? No, most likely no longer. However, , once we’re speaking about preliminary drafts, , emails, , emails with feeling, , the ones varieties of issues it does do, and does lovely smartly, like abstract, summarizing issues, , it does. So, I, , I believe this yr goes to be much more exploration. I imply, for for organizations which can be the use of it, looking at what individuals are the use of it for, roughly working the ones exams, seeing if the ones are treasured use instances. And, , advertising and marketing that advertising and marketing that additional, as a result of, , there’s going to be 1,000,000 other ways other folks use these items. It’s only a query of, , from an organizational viewpoint, what are you going to advertise? That’s, that’s going to have a trade have an effect on?

Greg Lambert 1:12:59
Yeah, yeah. I believe, , individuals are past the, , the awe and surprise that we to start with noticed in 2023. And now it’s going to be, , the place’s the meat? , the place, the place is the real factor this is going to going to if truth be told alternate the way in which that I follow legislation, or I write paperwork or assessment paperwork? Or do my day-to-day paintings?

Marlene Gebauer 1:13:29
I really like that. Pass forward.

Greg Lambert 1:13:33
No, no, no, I do know, I that. I am getting this , there’s a explanation why I’ve grey hairs. So I will

Marlene Gebauer 1:13:38
I really like that you just blended and 80s reference with Gen AI? No, I, you get you get issues for that. You certainly get issues for that.

Greg Lambert 1:13:47
All proper. Neatly, that used to be the top of the interviews that you just did. Once more, Marlene, thanks very a lot for taking place there. And speaking with these types of other folks. , numerous instances other folks requested me, What’s the most important good thing about having a podcast like this, is the truth that if it weren’t for this, there in reality could be no just right explanation why for us to move up and communicate to 17-18 other other folks and get their, , fast critiques on one thing. So this, this provides us that chance to satisfy other folks past our sphere. And that. So thanks for exposing that.

Marlene Gebauer 1:14:28
and fasten and fasten them, , connect with them, each attach visitors with visitors and fasten visitors with, , different participants of our company. So, , in reality rather a receive advantages.

Greg Lambert 1:14:41
Yeah, it positive is. So, thanks very a lot. And once more, because of the 18 other other folks that speak to us, each on the AI convention in New York and on the TLTF summit in Miami.

Marlene Gebauer 1:14:58
Sure and and thank you You everyone who took the time to take a seat with me and do the interviews, apologies for the sound, , we are living in be informed. And , I indisputably have. So I can make certain that subsequent time it’s a greater spot

Greg Lambert 1:15:14
have other issues, it’ll simply be other.

Marlene Gebauer 1:15:16
They’ll have other issues like , however we’ll check out it, we’ll try to discover a quiet nook somewhere. So, and I wish to say thanks to our target market, for taking the time to hear The Geek in Overview podcast. , we in reality do admire you taking the time to pay attention, we admire listening to from you, and listening to how you understand how impactful this podcast is on all of you. So fortunately, thanks for that. In the event you benefit from the display, percentage it with a colleague, we’d love to listen to from you. So achieve out to us on social media. I will be discovered on LinkedIn, or on x at @gebauerm and on Threads at @mgebauer66.

Greg Lambert 1:15:56
And I will be reached on LinkedIn and I believe one among my resolutions for 2024 is also to in any case simply let cross of x. We’ll see we’ll see I’m nonetheless on there at @glambert. However I’ll additionally stay an eye fixed out on Threads and you’ll be able to achieve me there at @glambertpod.

Marlene Gebauer 1:16:16
So threads and Instagram appear to be hooked up. Have you ever observed that? Yeah, they’re. They’re so yep, there’s some there’s that I’m no longer a professional. I’m no longer in reality like there however I’m no longer in reality the poster. I’m no longer in reality doing the rest so and in addition wish to say thanks to Jerry David DeCicca who’s the writer of the song that you just pay attention on The Geek in Overview podcast so thanks Jerry!

Greg Lambert 1:16:43
This is somebody we don’t seem to be giving up on within the new yr.

Marlene Gebauer 1:16:46
Completely no longer. No AI generated song

Greg Lambert 1:16:52
All proper, smartly thank you everybody and Glad New 12 months.

Marlene Gebauer 1:16:54
Glad New 12 months all.


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